2025-07-09 23:51来源:本站
联合圣保罗银行(OTC:ISNPY)宣布了2024年的强劲开局,第一季度盈利创纪录。这家意大利银行业巨头公布的净收入为23亿欧元,这是自2007年以来最高的季度净收入。这种令人印象深刻的财务表现伴随着每股收益同比增长21%。
为了分享其成功,联合圣保罗银行计划向其股东分配至少73亿欧元,其中包括6月份的17亿欧元回购。该银行多元化的业务模式和重大的技术投资使其在市场上占据强势地位,预计本年度和下一年的净收入将保持在80亿欧元以上。
联合圣保罗银行的净收入达到23亿欧元,是自2007年以来的最高水平。
每股收益同比增长21%。
该银行将向股东分配至少73亿欧元,其中包括17亿欧元的回购。
客户金融资产已超过1.3万亿欧元。
该行的成本收入比创历史新低,为38%。
不良贷款(NPL)流入和股票处于历史低点。
普通股权益比率已超过13.3%。
联合圣保罗银行致力于成为全球ESG倡议中最具影响力的银行。
该银行拥有适应各种利率环境的弹性商业模式。
联合圣保罗银行的目标是在2024年和2025年实现80亿欧元以上的净利润。
该银行计划专注于财富管理、保障和咨询服务。
预计手续费和佣金收入将出现两位数增长,尤其是在理财和保险产品方面。
净利息收入依然强劲,存款成本可能上升10个基点。
银行正准备提高存款成本。
联合圣保罗银行成功地实现了商业模式的多元化。
该银行在技术方面的投资巩固了其市场地位。
预计费用和佣金收入将加速增长。
该银行的成本收入比率处于历史最低水平。
没有提到。
首席执行官卢卡·博卡强调了手续费和佣金收入的增长以及银行管理成本的能力。
博卡还强调了4月份的强劲表现,所有盈利驱动因素都显著加速。
有限公司意大利银行业的整合可能对联合圣保罗银行有利。
Intermo的Fabrizio Bernardi他问。关于该银行在潜在的意大利银行业整合中所扮演的角色,博卡对此表示回应积极地结束。关于该银行过去在并购方面的成功,尤其是UBI交易。
卡洛·梅西纳,Intesa公司的首席执行官以乐观的言论结束了电话会议关于银行的未来。
Intesa Sanpaolo (ISP.MI)继续展示其财务实力和战略重点,强调其在提供可持续成果和回报投资者方面的信心。该银行对技术进步和ESG倡议的承诺进一步巩固了其作为能够在各种市场条件下蓬勃发展的领先金融机构的地位。凭借明确的增长和股东回报战略,联合圣保罗银行为未来几年设定了积极的前景。
联合圣保罗银行(Intesa Sanpaolo)在2024年的强劲开局得到了一系列财务指标的支持,这些指标突出了该银行的业绩和投资者感兴趣的潜在领域。该银行的市值为681.2亿美元,是银行业的重要参与者。它的市盈率(P/E)为8.2,这表明该公司的收益相对于其股价来说是强劲的。这进一步得到了1.02的市净率(P/B)的支持,表明市场对该公司的估值几乎与其账面价值一致。
投资者可能对该银行的股息收益率特别感兴趣,目前该银行的股息收益率高达7.83%,反映出联合圣保罗银行致力于向股东回报价值。这与该公司最近宣布打算向股东分配至少73亿欧元的计划一致。
两个可能与本文特别相关的InvestingPro技巧是:
1. 联合圣保罗银行(Intesa Sanpaolo)向股东支付了大笔股息,突显出该银行对股东回报的高度关注。
2. 该公司在过去12个月一直盈利,这与报告的净收入增长一致,并加强了其财务稳定性。
对于那些希望深入研究联合圣保罗银行财务和未来前景的人,InvestingPro提供了11个额外的提示。这些可以进一步了解公司的现金流状况、盈利能力预测和银行部门的表现。要获得这些提示和更详细的分析,请访问http://k1.fpubli.cc/file/upload/202405/04/ukhqhydb3pz.Y,并记得使用优惠券代码PRONEWS24,以获得每年或两年一次的Pro和Pro+订阅额外10%的折扣。
接线员:下午好,女士们,先生们。欢迎参加今天由联合圣保罗银行首席执行官Carlo Messina先生主持的联合圣保罗银行2024年第一季度业绩报告电话会议。我叫拉齐亚,我是你们今天会议的协调员。在报告结束时,将有一个问答环节。我要提醒大家,这次会议正在录音。现在,我想把会议交给首席执行官卡洛·梅西纳先生。先生,你可以开始了。
Carlo Messina: Welcome to our first quarter results conference call. This is Carlo Messina, Chief Executive Officer; and I’m here with Luca Bocca, our new CFO; Marco Delfrate and Andrea Tamagnini, Investor Relations Officers. We delivered the best ever start to the year with high quality results. Also, thanks to a strong acceleration in commissions and insurance, income. Costs are firmly under control, while we are even investing in technology and asset quality remains excellent. 2.3 billion net income was the best quarterly net income since 2007. Earnings per share grew 21% on a yearly basis and in 2024 we will reward shareholders with a total distribution of at least 7.3 billion, including the 1.7 billion buyback in June. In the quarter we increased the common equity ratio and we strengthened our zero NPL status. We clearly an additional distribution for this year and next will be evaluated year by year. Customer financial assets increased 120 billion on a yearly basis and almost 30 billion in Q1to more than 1.3trillion. We are perfectly on track to deliver above 8 billion this year and next easily achieve net leave income above 8 billion this year and next. We have a well diversified business model that delivers in any interest rate environment, allowing us to take advantage of a rebound in wealth management when rates decline. Our tech transformation is moving quickly with 3 billion already invested. Later in the presentation we will provide the usual update on our strong ESG commitment. This is all about building a sustainable and profitable bank that can continue to be a leader in the future while delivering strong results in the short term. I'm proud of our results and thank our people for their hard work. Now let's turn to slide one for the highlights of our first quarter slide number one. In a nutshell, we had the best ever start to the year. We delivered 2.5 billion net income when excluding the final contribution to the deposit guarantee scheme, Q1was the best quarter ever for revenues, operating margin and gross income. The cost income ratio was the lowest ever. NPL inflows in stock remained at historical lows and common equity ratio increased to more than 13.3%. Slide number two, in this slide you can see the impressive and continuous growth of net income, up 18% on a yearly basis. Slide number three, we are delivering a significant increase in value creation and distribution with strong growth in dividend per share, earnings share and tangible book value per share. Slide number four, we are a wealth management protection and advisory leader and we are ready to leverage on our fully owned product factories now under the responsibility of a single oversight unit, enabling quick time to market synergies and product customization. Our top notch 360 degree advisory services supported by state of the art digital tools. These services, provided by banker territory and private banking are already delivered, bringing related commissions up over 40% year on year. Slide number five, our delivery machine is based on close to 17,000 private bankers, financial advisors and relationship managers for private, affluent and exclusive clients. We have strong internal potential with over 870 billion in direct deposits and assets under administration and we have identified 100 billion that can be converted into assets under management. Also, thanks to declining rates, in April, we created an oversized unit consolidating the group's activities aimed at accelerating growth and increasing the integration of product factories. Furthermore, we created a fees and commissions steering committee that I chair myself, focused on increasing commissions across all the group divisions. And let me add that we are already at work. When we see an opportunity or a problem emerging, we take action and we deliver. We have done it multiple times and we will do again with this wealth management growth. Slide number six, this record start to the year means that we are well on track to easily deliver net income above 8 billion this year and next year. Slide number seven, I'm very proud that our excellent and sustainable performance allows us to reward all our stakeholders. As you can see in the slide, our people, households, businesses and the public sector benefit from our increasing profitability. An increase in net income and so in cash distribution is also favoring an increase in tax revenues for the state and 40% of cash dividends go directly to households and to the foundation to support their charitable programs for local communities. Now let's move to slide nine and take a closer look at our results. Slide number nine net interest income was up over 20%, basically stable quarterly when adjusting for the different number of days, commissions accelerated and insurance income showed double digit growth both yearly and quarterly revenues increased double digit and operating margin 18%. On a yearly basis, net income reached 2.6 billion when excluding leaves and other charges concerning the banking industry this year, we booked the final contribution to the deposit guarantee scheme in Q1and since the final contribution to the European Resolution Fund was booked last year, we do not foresee any significant additional contribution going forward. Slide number ten in this slide you can see the strong yearly increase of net interest income, putting us well on track to deliver growth in 2024 versus 2023. Also thanks to higher contribution from core deposit hedging. Slide number eleven net interest income growth on a yearly basis was driven by the spread component on a quarterly basis. The decline is due to the different number of days in the two quarters and to a lower contribution from the financial component. Deposit beta continues to remain very low. Slide number twelve customer financial assets exceeded 1.3 trillion, up almost 120 billion yearly and 30 billion in Q1with significant growth in assets under management and assets under administration. Let's move to slide 13. The wealth management and protection businesses are a strong contributor to the group's profitability and in Q1interest rates. The contribution was 45% of gross income. Commissions are up 8% on a quarterly basis and the commissions related to management, dealing and consultancy activities are up double digits with no significant performance fees. Slide number 14 property and casualty contribution is increasing, driven by the non motor business, To our best ever Q1for insurance income. Let me add that we have significant upside potential due to the still low client base penetration of property casualties when compared to other products. 100% fully owned product factories is a clear competitive advantage. Slide number 15 the contribution of commissions and insurance income to revenues is over 40%, the highest in Europe after UBS. This thanks to our well diversified business model. Please turn to slide 16 for a focus on costs. In Q1, the cost income ratio was 38%, the lowest ever thanks to effective cost management. Operating costs were down 3% when excluding depreciation for tech investments and the impact of national that renewal in this slide 17 in this slide you have more detail on our costs. Administrative costs decreased by over 3% on a yearly basis. Slide number 18 in this slide you can see that Inter Sao Paulo has the best cost income ratio in Europe, well below the peer average. Let's move to slide 19 for a focus on asset quality. NPL inflows and stock remain at historical lows. Also, stage two loans decreased 16% year on year down. More in Q1, Thanks to the high quality of our loan portfolio and our strong capabilities in prevention activities, we are a bank with just 5 billion net NPL and a 1% NPL ratio. Slide number 20 NPL stock and ratios are among the best in Europe after impressive de risking. Slide number 21 we are also very well positioned in Europe in terms of stage two that represents only 8% of loans. Line number 22 our analyzed cost of risk was 22 basis points. With no overlays released, NPL coverage increased further even if we see no signs of asset quality deterioration. Let's move to slide 23 for the usual update on Russia. Quarter after quarter we keep reducing our Russia exposure both cross border and locally, so let's move to slide 24 for an update on capital. Slide 24 the common equity ratio increased by almost 20 basis points to over 13.3% 14.7% considering DTA's thanks to organic capital generation and after deducting the 1.7 billion buyback and the 1.6 accrued dividends. Now please turn to Slide 25. Capital ratio will increase this year and next and we clearly have significant excess capital allowing flexibility for additional distribution. Please turn to slide 26 to see our sound liquidity position. Slide 26 we have best in class MREL ratios well above requirements. The 2024 funding plan is very manageable and DALF has already been executed. Slide 27 the liquidity cover ratio and net stable funding ratio are well above our business plan targets and we have a very diversified and sticky deposit base. The liquidity coverage ratio at the end of March was over 140% above the business plan target, even when considering the full reimbursement of the remaining TLTRO. Let's move to Slide 820 for more details on the liquidity position. Liquidity reserves remain very high despite TLTRO repayment, and cash with the ECB is much higher than the remaining TLTRO. Let's now move to slide 29 for the usual update on our ESG actions. In this slide you can see our strong progress toward the business plan ESG targets and also here we are ahead of schedule across nearly all of the projects. In April, we appointed the chief Sustainability Officer consolidating ESG activities. We have a massive program to address social needs and promote inclusion, with a contribution of 1.5 billion. Of these, we have already deployed 400 million. We remain committed to being the world's number one impact bank. Let's move to slide 30. In this slide you can see other important ESG initiatives with impressive results achieved, such as 47 billion in new lending to support the circular economy and green transition and the further reduction in finance emissions. At the end of this presentation you can find additional slides on our social and climate initiatives and our leading ESG position in the main sustainability indexes and rankings. Please move to slide 32 for the macro scenario. Slide 32 the Italian economy is strong and I want to highlight that Italian Corporates have significantly improved their deposit to loans position over the past years and that Italian GDP will continue to grow this year and next. For this year I personally expect a growth between 0.7 and 1%. Slide number 33 as you can see in this slide, Inter Sao Paulo is far better equipped than its European peers thanks to our rock solid capital base and well diversified business model supported by significant tech investments. Slide 34 very important in my opinion. In this slide you can appreciate the unique positioning of Inter Sao Paulo thanks to our commission driven and efficient business model supported by strong tech investments. I think this slide tells a really important story that deserves more attention. Slide number 35 this slide recaps how ISP is equipped to further succeed in the future. In fact, we are ready to succeed in any interest rate environment as shown by this set of all time high results. Slide number 36 so to finish, let me turn to the outlook. In the second part of this year, our leadership in wealth management, protection and advisory will start to kick in. After delivering our best ever start to the year, we are well on track to deliver easily a net income above 8 billion this year and next year. Our strong and sustainable performance allow us to strongly reward our shareholders, always a priority for ISP and me personally, while maintaining a rock solid capital position. This year we will return at least 7.3 billion, taking into account the early June buyback and the interim dividend in November, the proposition will be evaluated at the end of the year. I want to highlight that all our stakeholders will benefit from our performance, so thank you for your attention and now we are happy to answer to your questions.
接线员:谢谢。【操作说明】。谢谢你!现在我们继续我们的第一个问题这些问题来自花旗的Azzurra Guelfi。请提一个问题。
Azzurra Guelfi:大家下午好。问我两个问题。一个是你的收入,特别是费用和NII。费用趋势一直特别强劲,我有点好奇,您是否可以告诉我们更多关于您已经设立的费用和佣金指导委员会的情况,您正在考虑的主要行动是什么,以及我们在第一季度和第二季度看到的结果是什么,尽管数量萎缩,利润率仍在扩大。如果你能评论一下本季度的保证金和存款,以及你如何看待未来几个季度?第二个问题是关于资本的。我不会问你在过剩资本方面你期望回报多少,但如果你能给我们一点关于风险加权资产发展的信息,因为风险加权资产在贷款收缩时略有上升,如果有任何额外的监管阻力,我们必须考虑从现在到现在?谢谢你。
Luca Bocca: So thank you. So, looking at revenues, it is clear that we are starting to demonstrate that inter Sao Paulo is a completely different bank in comparison with all the other European peers apart UBS. So we are starting to get momentum on fee and commissions coming from wealth management protection and advisory. And the main driver has been the growth in terms of gross inflows. So my people started to move the total amount of inflows and gross inflows. So as soon as our client has a capital gain position in mutual funds or insurance product or asset under administration, they are contacted by my people in order to understand if they are available to make a disposal of this kind of product, to enter into another product. This has proven to be very success because we increased in comparison to last year by 20%, 30%, the total amount of these info flows. And this as a consequence, you had an increase in terms of commissions. This is a trend that is continuing also in April. And it is one of the main action that we started with this strong focus that I'm now dedicated on organization in terms of fee and commissions. The other portion will be the area of transaction payment. This will be another area in which we want to accelerate. So my expectation is to be in a condition to have a double digit growth in terms of wealth management, protection, advisory and transaction banking commissions, and especially on commission coming from insurance and protection business, also well above double digit growth. So we are really concentrated on this point. All the organization is working on this target. We have already demonstrated in the last years to be able to deliver significant performance in terms of wealth management and protection and advisory. So the kind of results, in my view, are easily achievable. Obviously, if conditions will remain of a trend of reduction in terms of net interest rate, because this is created condition of capital gain in the portfolio of our clients. We have client by client, the name of clients that can be contacted by our relationship managers. So this machine, in my view, is already working and really pretty, pretty positive on this point. We have meeting on a monthly basis with the most important managers of the group that are in charge of increasing commissions. But I think that also with this new reorganization, with the appointment of an ed of all the wealth management activities, that in combination with the head of banker territory and the head of corporate investment banking, and also the head of international banking subsidiary, because also in this environment, we are accelerating the growth of commissions. We can deliver very good results for our shareholders. And believe me, I think that this can be really the most important driver that will differentiate inter Paulo from all the other peers. At the same time, on net interest income, we are defending our leadership position in terms of net interest income. So it is very limited, the beta or the pass through that we had in this quarter. At the same time, we increased the total amount of bonds in order to create also room to have contribution to net interest income from financial activities we made in the last part of March. So having another sources of net interest income on markdown, my expectation is more or less in this condition. So our cost of funding on the short term can increase of ten basis points. In the worst case scenario, 20 basis points, but no more than this. And this will allow us to maintain a significant growth in 2024. In comparison with 2023. My expectation is to remain also for this year, a strong contributor in terms of net interest income, but it is more deriving from market conditions. So what really I'm concentrating is on fee and commission, because starting from 2025, we will be the unique bank that can really make a clear diversification. And so, through the hedging facilities, compensate reduction in net, but maintaining a strong acceleration in terms of fee and commission, so on revenues. I think that we are in a very good condition also. The property and casualty business is giving us very positive results. Penetration is still very low, and so we can also sell in terms of penetration. So I'm fully committed to guaranteed that our organization will move towards a clear, significant growth in terms of fee and commissions. To be in a condition to have 100% owned product factories is a unique condition in Europe. And so we will leverage on to accelerate in these. In this area, on capital. I think that our capital position will increase because this quarter we had this increase in market risk. And as I told you, the number of our bonds increased in order to create room to have farther net interest income or in case of need to make trading income, but trading strategic for us for the time being due to the fact that we have significant core revenues coming from fee and commissions, insurance and net interest income. But the same time, the increase in volume has determined an increase in terms of risk weighted assets, but in terms of trend, our capital will increase and so we will remain with a room to evaluate further. Share buyback. You know that I'm not a, a super fan of the share buyback. So I think that now in the market, too much short term attention and share buyback is something that you have to balance with the cash dividend that you are providing. So our cash dividend, machine dividend remain there because our profitability is absolutely there. And also, if I can add, preventing other questions that I will have during this conversation with the analyst also on outlook, I'm still conservative on outlook, but because we do not need to make the race of outlook with all the other banks, we are the incumbent in terms of value creation. We are probably the most sustainable bank in Europe. We are here to remain forever and not only for two years time. So I want to drive this organization in terms of quarter by quarter, delivering and then giving to the investors the clear opportunity. We do not need to increase the share price because we want to make some m ad lens or to use the share just to make a transaction. So we are a unique in terms of, in the European landscape, we have already made our acquisitions with the best in class. And so in this sense, I think that Paulo is a clear, sustainable bank with sustainable results. And I can tell you that our outlook is really conservative for the reason related to fee and commissions mainly. But that's our opinion.
接线员:我们现在要开始下一个问题了。这些问题来自摩根大通的戴尔芬。请提一个问题。
戴尔芬·李:是的。下午好。非常感谢你的问题。关于你的演讲,我有两个问题。我的第一个问题是关于净利息收入,如果你不介意的话,与你提供的关于第四季度结果的评论相比,我们仍然看到存款贝塔相对较低。你认为存款成本最多会增加20个基点,这是不是有点保守?我的意思是,就趋势而言,你看到了什么?你认为是什么时候?
卢卡·博卡:我们也看到了一些,你知道,存款基础和季节的过度稳定。因此,表现确实非常强劲。我想知道,您是否认为来自BTP投放的竞争在未来会变得不那么明显,或者您是否看到了加速,或者您认为零售所有权已经存在?或者我们应该如何考虑资产管理业务的阻力?谢谢你!
卢卡·博卡:谢谢你的问题。有趣。我可以告诉你们,我的预期是不会加息20个基点。所以我认为,在这个网络中,我的预期是我们可以保持在10个基点的范围内。所以,从某种意义上说,我认为在利率降低的情况下,存款成本不会有任何显著的增长。这也意味着在净利息收入方面,我们可以有非常积极的表现。很明显,如果利率下降,我们将减少降价,但我们将加速老化设施的收入,这些收入来自核心边缘。所以我们的预期是,利率,如果平均利率,我们走在3.6的范围内,我们可以每年只从核心对冲中,增加9亿欧元。到2025年,我们的平均利率为2.62.7,我们可以有16亿欧元的增长。至于净利息收入,两者都考虑了存款成本,都考虑了核心对冲的贡献。在我看来,我们处于欧洲独特的形势中。但无论如何,20个基点的小时数据保守吗?我认为很可能会有10个基点。存款成本增加,费用和佣金增加。由于BTP Valori的这三批BTP valore,我们有150亿欧元的存款转移到管理下的资产。但对我们来说,我认为这是一个独特的机会,因为我们显然是在一个客户一个客户地监控BTP价值的可能替代,一旦这个BTP可以随着利率的降低而变为正资本收益,我们就会联系客户,以便与他们合作,在资产管理产品方面更好地构成。所以我并不担心和平民主党的竞争。此外,我们本季度也证明了,在利率不高的情况下,我们可以产生可观的费用和佣金,特别是在BTP方面。在我看来,b2可能是今年年底加速增长的主要来源。因此,一旦我们将优利宝利率下调50-75个基点,100个基点,我们就会看到会发生什么。但这将加快我的人在与客户接触方面的工作,以便对这些工具进行潜在的转换。
接线员:谢谢。现在我们继续下一个问题,问题来自Media Banker的Andrea污秽。请提问。
匿名分析师:你好,有一个关于NII的问题,还有一个关于费用的问题。你能告诉我们这个季度与政府的几个生态项目相关的税收抵免的NII是多少吗?到3月底,总共有多少亿美元的风险敞口?您对2024年的贷款同比增长有何看法?过去几个季度,贷款同比增长一直在持续。第二,费用方面,同比增长6%,非常不错。我不理解你之前的评论,如果你认为我们可以推断2024年的年增长率。谢谢你!
卢卡·博卡:我会从费用和佣金说起。我说明了一部分费用和佣金。一个是与财富管理有关的一个是与保险产品有关的。与本季度的数据相比,这类佣金的年增长率将达到两位数或更快。此外,在交易银行业务中,您将在费用和佣金方面加速增长。这就是我们在保险、产品和加速方面所做的工作。然后,我们将根据对下一季度市场的指引,确定明年佣金的真正趋势。因为今天我认为我们可以在税收抵免方面超过今天的数字。我们有来自这个世界的贡献。很明显,像所有其他银行一样,它每季度的收益在5000万欧元到6000万欧元之间。金额可能在300亿欧元到500亿欧元之间。这个扇区的总量。这是我们每季度贡献的一部分。谢谢你!
接线员:现在我们要继续下一个问题,这个问题来自法国巴黎银行(OTC:BNPQY) Exane的Dalanovicio Ulagi Lopez。请提一个问题。
身份不明的分析师:非常感谢。谢谢你的演讲,谢谢你回答我的问题。我有一个问题与风险成本有关。您如何看待今年信贷质量的演变?在第一季度的小幅表现之后,我们应该对风险成本有什么预期?谢谢你!
卢卡·博卡:所以我们认为今年的信贷质量也会非常积极,我们的预期也是2025年。因此,意大利的企业状况非常好,特别是与其他欧洲国家相比。我们没有看到客户的财务状况有任何显著恶化的迹象。我们确实处于最低水平。所以很明显,当你有50亿欧元的净不良贷款时,在欧洲没有其他银行有这样的水平与我们相比,很明显,你可以在数量上增加1 - 2亿欧元,但对我们的资产质量没有重大威胁。我们正在考虑我们提供给市场的超过80亿欧元的数字。我们考虑风险成本,即低于40个基点,运行率为30个基点,去风险率为10个基点,以防我们看到一些处置不良贷款的机会。但我们对这一领域的看法完全在控制之中,我们认为我们可以在不发布叠加数据的情况下获得积极的数据。因此,在任何情况下,如果需要,我们仍然有9亿欧元的覆盖。我们完全有信心,国米圣保罗已经完全控制了这一领域。如果你比较我们在第二阶段的净不良贷款方面的情况,因为在我看来,其他银行对第二阶段的估计是低估的,你可以清楚地看到,一家银行在风险成本和质量方面是完全可控的,那么我们的风险成本可能会略有增加。一个季度又一个季度可能会再增加3个基点,4个基点。因此,在我看来,运行率可能是30个基点,在需要进一步处置不良贷款时,我们可以使用这10个基点,因此,在处置不良贷款时,达到接近40个基点的水平。非常感谢。谢谢你!
接线员:现在我们继续下一个问题,问题来自摩根士丹利的帕梅拉·祖鲁阿加。请提一个问题。
Pamela Zuluaga:大家好,非常感谢你回答我的问题。第一个是跟进。我想知道你是如何确定1000亿欧元的资产池来增加收益的。我的理解是否正确,这包括了aucs的潜在转移,特别是考虑到你之前谈到的BTP Valori,或者其他进入这个池的东西?我的两个问题是,另一位同行谈到了使用或写回当前条款覆盖的最后期限。你刚才说资产质量仍然很好。我在想,有没有一个时刻,你知道,或者你认为,如果你没有使用这9亿美元的储备,你会把它们写回来?然后你能给我们更多一些关于你对NII的期望的细节吗,但是对于2025年,谢谢。
卢卡·博卡:非常感谢。在我们去年估计的1000亿欧元中,不包括BTP英勇开关。所以我想我们会在你们开始降低利润后再确定一个更好的数字。这是我们在这个委员会中收取费用和佣金的工作的一部分。但在我看来,这个数字可能会超过1000亿欧元。这就是我的期望。很明显,这不是一个你可以在一年内实现的数额,但肯定是一个可以被认为是可行的数额。给大家看一下我们现在每个季度的总流入量。去年,我们每个季度的销售额在200亿至250亿欧元之间。现在我们每个季度的收入在300亿到350亿欧元之间。此外,在没有净流入的情况下,我们在佣金方面正在加速增长。所以这意味着,如果我们从这100亿欧元开始加速,然后随着政府的转换,我们的费用和佣金会大幅增加,但目前还不包括在这1000亿欧元中。所以这是我们的储备,这个数字可能会在第二季度或第三季度的报告中出现,如果我们有明确的证据表明,在资产质量方面,你的价值降低了。因此,这一项覆盖是一个明确的注意点,因为这些是我们可以维持的储备。但我的期望是,这不会永远留在银行的身影中。所以很明显,2024年,2025年。但总有一天,这些数字中的一部分可以以某种方式用于我们的预测,在我们的展望中,在我们的所有数据中,我们仍然有9亿欧元的重叠,包括2024年和2025年。这些就是80亿欧元以上的数字。我们正在考虑这种方法,因为我们希望保持非常保守的态度,向市场提供完全可靠的数据,而不是基于营销态度,只是为了在市值方面有一个短期的增长。但这些方法的使用肯定是一个问题,因为我们将在某个时间决定我们可以使用哪种方法。这9亿欧元。可能是亮背,可能是使用,而不是在不同的部门制定规定,但我们将在2024年到2025年之间做出决定。但对于我提供给市场的数据,没有任何贡献。从净利息收入的叠加。你的问题是?不好意思,2025年,对,2025年,我们的预期是净利息收入可能会高于2023年的净利息收入这是我们对2024年平均欧元同业拆借利率为3.6欧元同业拆借利率2025年平均欧元同业拆借利率为2.62.7欧元同业拆借利率的预期。在这种情况下,正如我所说,2024年我们将从核心老化设施中获得9亿欧元的贡献,2025年将获得1.6亿欧元的贡献。这是我们的期望。因此,我们可以继续从净利息收入中获得重大贡献,并从费用佣金中获得良好贡献。超过80亿欧元的估计是在没有任何费用和佣金加速的情况下做出的,无论如何,我们都将通过这个委员会和我直接参与佣金的增长来实现这一点。
帕梅拉:对不起。因此,围绕财富管理保护的努力所带来的80亿欧元的指引是有好处的?
卢卡·博卡:是的,对不起。我们在新组织成立之前和这个委员会成立之前做出了我们的估计,这个委员会的工作是为了加速费用和佣金的趋势。因此,我们已经在我们的数据中嵌入了对净收入的额外费用和佣金贡献,这些费用和佣金并未包括在上述80亿欧元中。一旦我们从本委员会的工作中获得行动计划,我们将把这一点列入其中。但很明显,我们已经在兑现承诺,因为我们从今年年初就开始与我的员工一起努力,加快收费和佣金的速度。事实证明,这是成功的一个因素,因为手续费和佣金的增长趋势已经加快,尤其是在银行领域和财富管理部门。这意味着我们可以很容易地从费用和佣金中获得进一步的贡献。但这并不包括在我们的展望中。所以,为了让你们对前景有一个清晰的认识,再一次,我们在市场上,在价值创造方面,在考虑从。因此,我们不需要仅仅为了营销目的而出售信息。因此,我希望我的投资者能够得到我的承诺,并兑现这些承诺。我会等到下个季度,只是为了确保所有不同的因素都会加速。但绝对清楚的是,我们在第一季度创造和交付的业务中已经包含了额外的净收入。而且,从我们的数据来看,4月份是一个非常好的月份,与第一季度的最佳月份一致。因此,我们将继续在集团盈利能力的所有不同驱动因素上取得显著的加速。
接线员:谢谢。现在我们继续下一个问题,这些问题来自UBS的Ignacio Cerezo。请提一个问题。
Ignacio Cerezo:大家下午好,谢谢你回答我的问题。我有两个。第一个是关于戈尔曼担保贷款。如果你能给我们提供最新的股票情况,到期表,如果你认为这在未来两到三年的某个时候会对资产质量构成风险。第二个问题是关于费用细分,我的意思是,你基本上是在暗示本季度14亿欧元的市场费用,你可以在未来两到三个季度将其按年计算。如果你能给我们介绍一下销量和利润对这个目标的贡献。谢谢你!
卢卡?博卡:在担保贷款规模方面,我们还有近200亿欧元。在2024年至2025年期间,我们将有10亿至20亿欧元到期。剩余的40%将在2026年到期,其余将在2026年之后到期。这差不多。但在这个领域,有证据表明,在已经过期的边缘部分,去年的损失在10亿到20亿欧元之间。从今年开始,我们没有任何迹象表明有任何问题,但趋势是存在的。关于第二个问题,抱歉,关于费用贡献,你可以看幻灯片6067。在幻灯片67中,你们可以看到2023年第四季度和第一季度的所有动态细节。在这个部门,你有管理,交易和咨询活动。我在预测中预计,我们不会有两位数的增长,但今天的证据是,我们正在以两位数的速度增长,我们将在2024年以两位数的速度增长,所有其他部门,我们正在逐行加速增长水平。因此,这或多或少是我们和我的员工为了在2024年和2025年加速费用和佣金的增长而使用的画面。显然,你没有降息的影响。所以这就是结果,我们在委员会中决定的这些行动的加速,他们正在集团内部执行。
接线员:我们现在要开始下一个问题了。这些问题来自自主研究公司的布里塔·施密特。请提问。
是的,谢谢你回答我的问题。我还有一个关于收费收入的问题。请。您能向我们解释一下您是如何看待前期费用和转换费用,也就是将存款或现金转换为现金而产生的长期管理费的吗?您打算如何确保这种增长水平和水平在2025年之后也是可持续的?第二个问题与增长净流量有关。非常感谢你告诉我们总流量是多少。考虑到这是一个如此重要的领域,您是否可以在未来为我们披露它们以便我们可以跟踪一些正在发生的事情?最后,我有一个问题。在资产负债表上,存款下降Q1, q反过来上升。不仅是Q4,还有Q3。也许你可以解释一下这个季度你在资金方面做了些什么。谢谢你!
卢卡·博卡:关于费用。你必须考虑我们本季度费用的趋势,你不能称其为预付费用,你可以称其为入会费,因为这些费用来自于总流入量。因此,与报名费相关的佣金水平在0.6%至1%之间,最高为1.25%。因此,我们不是在谈论那些在一个季度内产生前期费用的工具,然后你就会失去佣金方面的好处。所以入场费是我描述过的水平,数额增加了很多,因为体积增加了很多。我们关注的是数量,而不是你所说的预先定价。对我们来说,这些都是入场费,是我们工作的一部分。维护费用对我们来说绝对是积极的,并且将逐年收取费用。但我们不会出现会对我们的趋势产生负面影响的现象,我们的首要任务是不产生来自定价的前期费用影响,而只来自数量。这是最基本的。而在我们的预期中,每季度的交易量将或多或少保持在新的交易量将或多或少保持在相同的水平。所以我们会有一个持续不断的收费趋势。从本季度的存款来看,我们的存款有所减少,但在上个季度末,我们有50亿欧元的技术流动,用于支付客户的税款。这被推迟了,因为出于财政目的,年底是29年,而不是1月1日。因此,平均而言,存款的减少幅度在3%之间。其中大部分是从存款转移到管理下的资产。所以我们完全控制着客户交给我们的财富。
接线员:我们现在要开始下一个问题了。这些问题来自Equita的Andrea Lisi。请提一个问题。
Andrea Lisi:好,只有一个问题。在成本上。我在成本方面看到了一个很大的趋势,特别是在银行领域,运营费用同比下降了-2%。因此,我们可以预计,在接下来的几个季度中,今年也将受到意大利合同续约的全面影响。所以只要了解你计划如何管理成本,也许使它们在每年的基础上收缩或稳定下来。谢谢你!
卢卡·博卡:所以在我看来,这种趋势,尤其是个人成本和管理费用,是完全可控的。折旧主要与新技术投资有关。所以成本是完全可控的。在个人成本方面,我们将受益于2024年员工的离职,2024年将有1400人离职,减少分支机构。这些影响显然主要集中在曼谷地区。这是我们拥有大多数人的地方,当然还有分支机构。所以影响是存在的。由于这个原因,我们在2023年,个人成本中的费用是2024年没有使用的费用。因此,我们将为2024年提供福利是积极的。2024年和2023年相比,2024年我们不会有额外的个人费用。因此,我们预期的个人成本也会有一个好的趋势,尽管与工会的新协议增加了成本。因此,我的预期是,成本将完全得到控制。我们将继续加速技术投资,因为在我们看来,我们必须继续保持圣保罗国际米兰的独特地位,以正确的商业模式。因此,财富管理、保护和咨询业务模式,以及在技术方面的正确投资。因此,银行业的未来将是财富管理、保护、咨询和技术领导。为此,我们将继续大力投资。因此,这仍将是我们未来可持续发展的关键驱动力。谢谢你!
接线员:我们现在要开始下一个问题了。这些问题来自KBW的雨果·克鲁兹。请提一个问题。
雨果·克鲁兹:嗨,谢谢你抽出时间。我有一个问题,你知道,在BTP Valori的竞争下,你认为客户资金外流是否会继续转移到该产品,不仅是Intelsa,还有意大利其他银行?在某种程度上,这可能会导致银行不得不为存款支付更多的费用,这样它们就不会因为BTP Valori而损失太多。就是这样。谢谢你!
卢卡·博卡:我认为,很明显,在这样一个利率阶段,以及银行对存款提供的那种报酬,BTP价值的竞争仍然是一个值得关注的问题。但正如我之前所说,BTB Valore的规模不会对基于收费的行业产生任何重大影响。其次,像圣保罗国际银行这样的银行将在未来受益,因为从管理资产到管理资产。第三,意大利的公共债务融资也对银行业有利。因此,如果家庭愿意为国家的公共债务提供资金,这将使国家更加独立于其他来源,在我看来,无论如何都是积极的。
接线员:好的,我们现在要开始下一个问题了,这个问题来自Intermonte的Fabrizio Bernardi。请提一个问题。
Fabrizio Bernardi:大家好,我有一个问题,不仅仅是关于泰瑟枪,还有关于整合的问题。你在过去的UBI协议中扮演了非常重要的角色。所以我想让你和我们分享你的颜色,你的口味,你对意大利整合的想法。我知道,从技术上讲,在意大利的任何省份中,Inteza都处于反垄断限制的顶端。所以我知道你不能扮演积极的角色,但鉴于你过去所扮演的角色,也许你可以给我们一些可能发生的事情的线索。谢谢你!
卢卡·博卡:问得好。因为我认为,要进行整合,你不仅要成为一个非常聪明的人,了解最佳的财务状况,你还必须足够大胆,以正确的方式进行交易。所以这意味着不要花几个月的时间进行讨论,你必须评估一个明确的报价,然后达成交易。在过去的几年里,国米圣保罗可能是欧洲最好的完成这种交易的球队。你提到了全民基本收入的交易,在我看来,这可能是欧洲最好的交易。也因为UBI的质量确实非常积极。这使得合并后的团队能够加强圣保罗国际米兰的实力。但看看意大利的整合,我认为,如果这种情况发生,并且再次能够进行整合,你不仅要在理论上做出明智的交易,而且要执行一个明确的交易。但如果这真的发生了,这对国米圣保罗来说将是非常积极的。因为所有其他意大利银行在收购方面的经验,我不能说它接近于零。但这并不是最近才有的事情。疯狂的交易意味着你有能力把人带到你身边,有能力整合it系统,有能力提供协同效应,有能力在组织内的所有人之间建立一个独特的标志,而且从客户端来看,这是一个明确的关注点。在这种情况下,我认为圣保罗可以从全国的整合中明显获益。所以我很肯定。我认为我们在这个国家不会有大的交易。这是我的看法。但在任何情况下,对我们来说,这可以是正的,而不是负的。
接线员:目前我们没有其他问题了。现在请卡洛·梅西纳先生致闭幕词。
卡洛·梅西纳:谢谢。非常感谢大家。我想在我们的演讲中,我们有机会向你们介绍我个人对真正潜力的看法,即我们必须超越我们不仅在官方文件中给出的数字,而且还要超越我们在集团内部真正创造的数字。请大家看一下我们演讲的第35张幻灯片,因为在我看来,在这张幻灯片中,你们已经有了清晰的证据来说明可持续发展对一个组织未来的意义。谢谢大家。非常感谢,下次再讲。
接线员:女士们,先生们,今天的电话会议到此结束。谢谢你的参与。您现在可以断开线路了。谢谢你!
本文是在人工智能的支持下生成的,并由编辑审阅。欲了解更多信息,请参阅我们的T&C。